Just came across an Interesting video, figured I'd share. It's part of the Q&A session of a lecture given by David Horowitz, who I hadn't heard of but a little bit of research has told me that, while I personally and probably AAF disagree with him on many many things, he is quite an interesting guy. To quote directly from wikipedia, "In 1992, the Heterodoxy magazine, which Horowitz co-edited, was founded. The magazine focused on exposing what it perceived as excessive political correctness on American college and university campuses." Seems vaguely similar to some of the issue's we've been having, yeah?
Well, anyway, a Muslim woman, who is, based on what she said, presumably a member of the MSA, asks him to clarify how the MSA is related to groups like Hezbollah who use terror and violence. The discussion is fascinating. 3:00 especially literally gave me the chills, but be sure to watch the whole thing:
I wonder how the average MSA member would respond to these questions? I feel like they would openly condemn these groups, but now I'm not so sure. Maybe someone will make a topic about it on www.chalkfire.com , which while a work in progress will be the official place to go regarding Muhammad chalkings.
Asking them to condemn those groups won't work, because they will argue that those groups are not really terrorist groups, and that the western media is defaming them.
You have to ask a question as seen in the video, you have to ask about specific issue.
The girl in the video clearly supports genocide, as she said she is "for it" in a menacing voice. I wonder if something similar would happen in UIUC with the people that erased your chalk stick-figures. I want to believe that their answer would be "against it." What do you think?
When David Horowitz asked the university student the question he did, he was strategically obscuring her question, which I think would have been more useful to answer (because he’s absurd). That question being "what is the relationship Horowitz sees between MSAs on university campuses and 'jihad terrorist networks.'"
The fact that Horowitz asked her to condemn Hamas or Hezbullah in that moment is akin to McCarthy demanding the condemnation of communism or Reagan demanding the condemnation of the Black Panther Party of anyone interested in the empowerment of African Americans. Yes, the BBP was considered a "terrorist" group of its time, but like Hezbullah, they also provided a ton of social services to their communities. Pretending that a group is all bad or all good is childishly naive. Horowitz is Jewish, but you don't see anyone demanding that he condemn the Israeli Defense Force, which has killed 1,400 Palestinians in Gaza. And as Americans, we aren’t asked to condemn the IDF when we financially support their murdering of Palestinians, too? Or to condemn the U.S. government for the killing of Iraqi civilians in the American war in Iraq? Why not? Well, because there are many things that the U.S. government represents to us that aren’t solely the killing of Iraqi civilians.
The political complexities of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict--which very much decorate the conversation had between Horowitz and that student--cannot be captured in a yes or no question. The student explains herself very well in the blog post she wrote on the experience and I have no doubt that she didn’t intend the “for it” with respect to genocide. It is imperative that we do our homework with respect to these issues.
Apart from Jason’s informative links, also worth noting is USCD's MSA's press release statement against violence. http://www.ucsdmsa.org/
Don't know if this is of interest, but this is one of Hezbullah's websites and a press release from 1998 (dated, but noteworthy) regarding their mission:
"Statement of purpose
Hizbullah is an Islamic freedom fighting movement founded after the Israeli military seizure of Lebanon in 1982, which resulted in immediate formation of the Islamic resistance units for the liberation of the occupied territories and for the expulsion of the aggressive Israelis forces.
In addition to shouldering the burden of resisting the Israelis occupation as it is stated by the international Bill of Human Rights, Hizbullah is also concerned about the presentation of Islam which addresses the mind, and reasons. Hizbullah is concerned about Presenting Islam that is confident of its fundamentals, its highly civilized understanding of Man, life and the universe, Islam as being self-assured about its capability to achieve the basis of right and justice. We are anxious to present Islam as being open hearted to all nations their various political and cultural trends and their mumerous experiences, away from subjection or bewilderment. We are anxious to present Islam as being the guardian for human rights defining choices, adopting convictions and expressing them, socially. We opt for the formation of political pressure in education, pedagogy, medical case and other social benefits announced in the Bill of Human Rights. We are anxious to define the priorities for our cultural project that utilizes persuasiveness and polarization through the civilized and the human methods confirmed by the Bill of the Human Rights. Away from evidence force, and coercion. We are anxious to offer a model of performance in struggling targeting the enemy that represents a challenge for the existence of the whole nation along with its regimes and people. We also circumvent conflicts that do not serve the main aim, fighting the enemy, or that could create discord at the front, which is to be unified around the common interests. The hope is to rid of the pressuring threats pactised by the foreign zionist entity which has been thrust upon the Islamic and the Arab contemporany nation . It should be clear that the kind of Islam we want is a civilized endeavour that rejects injustice, humiliation, slavery, subjugation , colonism and blackmail while we stretch out our arms for communication among nations on the basis of mutual respect . The Islam we mean is the religion that never accepts control or delegation by others for the sake of manipulating the rights and the interests of the nation . The Islam we mean is the religion that recommends communication among civilization and rejects devisive collision between those civilizations. An Islam that believes in cultural communication among nations and refuses setting up barriers and embargos and sees that it is our right to remove those barriers by the diplomatic means, however, when others intend to launch wars against it, Hizbullah finds it a natural right to defend itself representing the supporters the their achievements .
Islam that we understand is a message that aims at establishing justice, security, peace and rights for all people no matter what nation, race or religion they belong. We don't have any complex toward others, but we feel the responsibility toward them, to make them understand the essence of our religion away from obligation and fanaticism.
We don't seek the application of Islam by force or violence but by peaceful political action, which gives the opportunity for the majority in any society to adopt or rejectit. If Islam becomes the choice of the majority then we will apply it, if not, we will continue to coexist and discuss till we reach correct beliefs.
We hereby affirm that our Islam rejects violence as a method to gain Power, and this should be the formula for the nonislamists as well.
I see a relationship between that particular student and Hamas/Hezbollah .. Simple .. Both condone violence .. I am not a philosopher, nor a deep thinker .. I do not connect the student organizations with anything .. From the video, it was clear that that particular student was related in ideals ..
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Oh dear...
Here's a statement by the woman in the video, a good write-up of the event, and a great expose on Mr. Horowitz.
UCSD Muslim Student Responds to David Horowitz Event
David Horowitz’ San Diego genocide lie — Islamophobia rears its ugly head
David Horowitz -- The Real Face of Terrorism
Asking them to condemn those groups won't work, because they will argue that those groups are not really terrorist groups, and that the western media is defaming them.
You have to ask a question as seen in the video, you have to ask about specific issue.
The girl in the video clearly supports genocide, as she said she is "for it" in a menacing voice. I wonder if something similar would happen in UIUC with the people that erased your chalk stick-figures. I want to believe that their answer would be "against it." What do you think?
Carlos.
When David Horowitz asked the university student the question he did, he was strategically obscuring her question, which I think would have been more useful to answer (because he’s absurd). That question being "what is the relationship Horowitz sees between MSAs on university campuses and 'jihad terrorist networks.'"
The fact that Horowitz asked her to condemn Hamas or Hezbullah in that moment is akin to McCarthy demanding the condemnation of communism or Reagan demanding the condemnation of the Black Panther Party of anyone interested in the empowerment of African Americans. Yes, the BBP was considered a "terrorist" group of its time, but like Hezbullah, they also provided a ton of social services to their communities. Pretending that a group is all bad or all good is childishly naive. Horowitz is Jewish, but you don't see anyone demanding that he condemn the Israeli Defense Force, which has killed 1,400 Palestinians in Gaza. And as Americans, we aren’t asked to condemn the IDF when we financially support their murdering of Palestinians, too? Or to condemn the U.S. government for the killing of Iraqi civilians in the American war in Iraq? Why not? Well, because there are many things that the U.S. government represents to us that aren’t solely the killing of Iraqi civilians.
The political complexities of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict--which very much decorate the conversation had between Horowitz and that student--cannot be captured in a yes or no question. The student explains herself very well in the blog post she wrote on the experience and I have no doubt that she didn’t intend the “for it” with respect to genocide. It is imperative that we do our homework with respect to these issues.
Apart from Jason’s informative links, also worth noting is USCD's MSA's press release statement against violence. http://www.ucsdmsa.org/
Don't know if this is of interest, but this is one of Hezbullah's websites and a press release from 1998 (dated, but noteworthy) regarding their mission:
"Statement of purpose
Hizbullah is an Islamic freedom fighting movement founded after the Israeli military seizure of Lebanon in 1982, which resulted in immediate formation of the Islamic resistance units for the liberation of the occupied territories and for the expulsion of the aggressive Israelis forces.
In addition to shouldering the burden of resisting the Israelis occupation as it is stated by the international Bill of Human Rights, Hizbullah is also concerned about the presentation of Islam which addresses the mind, and reasons. Hizbullah is concerned about Presenting Islam that is confident of its fundamentals, its highly civilized understanding of Man, life and the universe, Islam as being self-assured about its capability to achieve the basis of right and justice. We are anxious to present Islam as being open hearted to all nations their various political and cultural trends and their mumerous experiences, away from subjection or bewilderment. We are anxious to present Islam as being the guardian for human rights defining choices, adopting convictions and expressing them, socially. We opt for the formation of political pressure in education, pedagogy, medical case and other social benefits announced in the Bill of Human Rights. We are anxious to define the priorities for our cultural project that utilizes persuasiveness and polarization through the civilized and the human methods confirmed by the Bill of the Human Rights. Away from evidence force, and coercion. We are anxious to offer a model of performance in struggling targeting the enemy that represents a challenge for the existence of the whole nation along with its regimes and people. We also circumvent conflicts that do not serve the main aim, fighting the enemy, or that could create discord at the front, which is to be unified around the common interests. The hope is to rid of the pressuring threats pactised by the foreign zionist entity which has been thrust upon the Islamic and the Arab contemporany nation . It should be clear that the kind of Islam we want is a civilized endeavour that rejects injustice, humiliation, slavery, subjugation , colonism and blackmail while we stretch out our arms for communication among nations on the basis of mutual respect . The Islam we mean is the religion that never accepts control or delegation by others for the sake of manipulating the rights and the interests of the nation . The Islam we mean is the religion that recommends communication among civilization and rejects devisive collision between those civilizations. An Islam that believes in cultural communication among nations and refuses setting up barriers and embargos and sees that it is our right to remove those barriers by the diplomatic means, however, when others intend to launch wars against it, Hizbullah finds it a natural right to defend itself representing the supporters the their achievements .
Islam that we understand is a message that aims at establishing justice, security, peace and rights for all people no matter what nation, race or religion they belong. We don't have any complex toward others, but we feel the responsibility toward them, to make them understand the essence of our religion away from obligation and fanaticism.
We don't seek the application of Islam by force or violence but by peaceful political action, which gives the opportunity for the majority in any society to adopt or rejectit. If Islam becomes the choice of the majority then we will apply it, if not, we will continue to coexist and discuss till we reach correct beliefs.
We hereby affirm that our Islam rejects violence as a method to gain Power, and this should be the formula for the nonislamists as well.
Hizbullah Press Office, March 20, 1998"
http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/320/324/324.2/hizballah/statement01.html
I see a relationship between that particular student and Hamas/Hezbollah .. Simple .. Both condone violence .. I am not a philosopher, nor a deep thinker .. I do not connect the student organizations with anything .. From the video, it was clear that that particular student was related in ideals ..
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